we are heading towards kde on win32 (and OS X, and...) with kde4. as i've noted before there are strategic issues we need to be aware of, in my opinion. i think we have a great opportunity to welcome in developers who are currently windows-only with this move, but we will need to manage things with wisdom.
fortunately we have other apps that have gone before us in challenging microsoft on their own turf with open source offerings in recent times, for instance firefox. i think we should look at the path it's taken and is taking and learn from both the positives and the negatives. already people are positioning ie7 as a "firefox killer". well, i don't think it'll kill firefox but it may certainly beat it back. or maybe it won't. no matter which way it goes, it will be something we ought to keep our eye on as we move forward.
and speaking (two paragraphs ago, anyways) about windows developers, osdw is another plot of mine to hopefully address that issue in some small way. october's event is approaching (so reg soon if you haven't and want to attend!), but already other osdw events are filling up the pipeline. we'll be at linux conf australia and probably in the netherlands in march. other locations are in the works as well. of course, north american osdw events are still my main focus (others are helping arrange and organize the international osdw events) with phillie being the next up.
things are growing on that end so much that i've been driven to start up mailing lists for those organizing, sponsoring and speaking at them. heck, we even have a kpresenter template now thanks to danny allen; neat! i've also taken to lurking on #osdw on freenode if you want to chat me up about osdw. i think eventually i'll have to find someone who is actually good at organizing these sorts of things to help out or even succeed me =)
sometimes i look at the crazy things i try to do and wonder, "aaron, are you completely out of your mind?" probably am. but at least there's lots of great people around me who either help me stay on track or make me look less insane by comparison.
one of those people more recently in my life has been t. i dropped her off at the airport today where she caught a flight out to nova scotia for ~4 days for some much deserve r&r. i'll miss her. i'll also have more time to hack. upside to every downside, they say.
speaking of which i got a wireless router as a gift today from t. i hope to get to playing with it today. i also happen to have a wireless card for the laptop that i brought back from malaga. someone lent it to me one of the days there and then i forgot to give it back. but i forget who. gah! if it was you, please email me your postal address so i can mail it back asap. thanks =)
Sunday, September 18, 2005
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Hi Aaron. I've been reading your blog for a number of months now, and I'm glad you touched on the issue of KDE on Windows and OS X. I've been a devoted KDE fan for about 4 years, using it on various Mandrake and Red Hat boxes (including at work at a major tech company). But for my lastest machine, I've gone back to my Mac roots; I'm now running OS X on an iBook. I now have a little bit of time to devote to open source projects, and I'd really like to get involved in some KDE work (esp digiKam). How far along is the Mac work on KDE 4? Is now a good time to get involved with the Mac porting? Who are good people to contact?
Thanks!
Lane
I wouldn't touch Windows or Mac OS X ports with a 10-foot pole because they're non-free, DRM-infested platforms, which we shouldn't encourage people to use. Instead, I think KDE should put all its efforts into working efficiently with Linux to make one kick-ass free desktop system.
Lane: Have you tried the Baghira style for KDE? In many ways it's even better than Mac OS X.
vladc6: I respect your viewpoint, and I know that there are a lot of people who agree with you. At the same time, I think that increasing the availability of open source software is a good thing. There is already a huge amount of open source software available on Mac OS X. Don't forget that Mac OS X itself is based on a huge amount of open source software. Are there closed components? Sure. Can you use Mac OS X without using those closed components? Thanks to the porting efforts of others who thought that Mac OS X was worth it, yes - you can use a Mac and still use free software almost exclusively. With a bit of work, you can even opt to log in directly to X and bypass Apple's proprietary (but incredibly well designed) Aqua interface, if that's important to you.
Regardless, there are people like me who run OS X and are very interested in running KDE apps natively. Some of us are also very interested in contributing to KDE, but for whatever reason don't have ready access to a Linux development environment.
And to your last question - yes, I have used Baghira. It's a good theme. And I am the first person to argue that KDE is the equal or better of OS X many aspects. I think that is all the more reason to make those programs more widely available. And I'm interested in helping in that effort.
At work I'm forced to use Windows and it would be absolutely fantastic if I could use KDE apps there natively. So from that view a Win32 port would be wicked.
On the other hand, and maybe I'm just a jealous bastard, I kind of like showing the amazing KDE applications (amarok, konqueror, kontact, ioslaves etc) to my windows-using friends. If the same is available on windows it removes a huge advantage of running a linux desktop.
Ohwell.. In the end it just comes down to if there are developers that will port it. No amount of discussion will change that basic fact.
Lane: I also respect your right to work on whichever projects interest you. My concern is that fragmentation of developer resources among Linux, FreeBSD, OpenBSD, NetBSD, Darwin and Solaris is detrimental to Free Software and its users. I'd rather have one Free Software stack that's well integrated and works perfectly than 6 half-baked ones that “kind of work”. I don't see the point of starting a primitive KDE implementation on Darwin or Windows when there's already a mature one on Linux.
I agree with Leo that the “bait factor” is extremely important, and can bring users to Linux and Free Software. Just look at Apple – their over-priced hardware is basically a dongle for OS X.
I also fear that porting KDE apps to Windows/Darwin might lead to an “embrace and extend” attack from Microsoft and Apple. For instance: M$ strikes a deal with camera makers to allow encrypted image transfers through the operating system. DigiKam would then work with DRM'ed cameras on Windows, while reverse-engineering to enhance the GPhoto2 backend on Linux would grind to a halt because of lack of demand. Grim world.
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