first, Luis lists a bunch of metrics by which, in his mind, one can say thir project is popular. primarily it came down to listing companies interest in GNOME and something about deployments. then he says:
and they (KDE) have Linspire
that's it. that's his whole list. he did have Intel there but then scratched it out later. what i'm curious about is whether Luis and his fellow project members (and perhaps the general population?) are really so ignorant of KDE's partners that he could only list "Linspire"?
KDE works with and is invested in by the likes of Trolltech, SUSE/Novell and Mandriva. we also have received help from IBM, HP, Intel and other big names. if we start lining up the likes of NoMachine, Xandros and Linspire the list gets quite long. and when Luis says that they have "a thriving environment of small professional developers", which i'm sure they do, i immediately think of KDE's KDAB, Intevation, erfrakon, the OpenUsability folks, SourcExtreme, Staikos Computing, Danka, credativ, theKompany, myself and on and on. it's more than a little annoying to have a large and varied industry around KDE only to have it repeatedly dismissed as non-existent by those who ought to be our closest allies. this has to be frustrating not just for us within the project, but also for those who are in that group of KDE's supporting players.
we evidently need to do a better job of documenting and publicizing our industry involvement. here's a task: see if you can find the page that lists our sponsors on the kde project website. and when was the last time we talked about those people publicly?
edit: stephan binner reminded me to mention the KDE::Enterprise business directory. this is indeed a good starting point.
i also think it's interesting that when the city of Vienna moves to KDE and linux, the pr around it continuously fails to mention KDE. we need to somehow do a better job of letting the world know that these deployments are using our work.
but you know ... there's more to do here than compare schlong lengths as measured by industry involvement and what not. what we need to remember is that we shouldn't be clambering over each other to see who can beat the other; we're much better served these days by promoting our brands in a harmonious way. the real target is not each other but the 90%+ share of the desktop market currently held by microsoft windows. sometimes we waste far too much effort being concerned about comparing our couple of percent to their couple of percent.
this leads us to doing things like unnecessarily excluding each other from events and opportunities and even publicly trivializing each other as Luis did today. and then we turn around and expect, at times even demand, that our developers work together towards common standards and technologies. i have a very long blog about something that happened in this vein this past weekend that i'm sitting on at the moment, actually.
in any case, it seems that our combined public relations and development organs sometimes seem to be working to different ends and on different wavelengths here. that's not healthy because our developers, users and the general market watch and are influenced by these things. i can only help manage the kde end of these things along with the numerous others who do tremendously positive work for kde in these matters, and that's really just half the solution. it's up to GNOME to manage their end responsibly to provide the other half.
of course, maybe that's why KDE gets more mainstream attention.

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I frequently visit chat rooms on irc.freenode.org and in my time on these chat rooms, I've gotta tell ya the anti-KDE teams are definitely out there. Many times I have stopped anti-KDE arguments in their tracks as I simply won't subscribe to them. We're definitely talking about two totally different experiences here when using each on a computer. Gnome is an excellent WM and so is KDE. Neither are perfect, and if there was just one, it would definitely not be perfect.
I'm not going to try to start flames here, but it seems to me that people who use gnome regularly like to kick up alot of dust, especially when KDE is mentioned. KDE guys are happy, but I never see them start flames. Honestly I don't think anyone should kick up any dust because we're on the same damn team.
The funny thing is: I always got the impression that it is GNOME which gets rated as "the" mainstream open source desktop, and not KDE. Strange.
Aseigo, I think you are taking Luis' blog too negatively. It appears to me that he is saying, "KDE is getting much more press than we are. Our marketing is falling short. We have a lot to be proud about, so how do we do our marketing better." He's pointing to the friendly competition between KDE and GNOME and doesn't want GNOME to fall behind behind due to lack of marketing. (I'm sure you wouldn't want the same thing to happen to KDE.)
Granted, his understanding of KDE's corporate sponsorship is misinformed. That does not mean that he was trying to put KDE down. If anything, his blog is inadvertently pointing out a weakness in KDE's own marketing.
On a similar note, the GNOME developers have been pretty complimentary of KDE. (I think Davyd Madeley had something good to say about KDE just a few days ago.)
Just my two cents. :-)
> I think you are taking Luis'
> blog too negatively.
well, i don't think so. the issue is two-fold:
a) we (kde) are not doing a good enough job of communicating to the outside world who our supporters are. this is our failure.
b) listing a bunch of reasons your product is good and then putting one company's name down for the competition does belittle that competitor. i don't think that's healthy. it doesn't matter if that was Luis' intention, it's the same end result.
note that in my blog i didn't say that Luis needs to sharpen up, but that we (KDE) need to communicate better. =)
so it seems you and i actually agree here.
where we may diverge is i feel that KDE tends to be more accurate in our PR, especially when it comes to issues of comparative metrics. we don't, for instance, claim to be the default desktop on operating systems where we aren't. but that's a different, albeit related, topic ;)
I was quite shocked that he wrote that actually. Although it's been nice that KDE has had more coverage recently, I've always thought KDE has needed more not less publicity. Certainly, I don't think Gnome has been short of press coverage at all - certainly not over the past five years or so.
It's all relative though, as everyone always feels that everyone else is getting it and they're not getting enough :-).
I always find it slightly amusing that some people working on Gnome find it very difficult to even utter KDE's name. KDE is generally referred to as the other desktop, or they. It reminds me of when the F1 racing driver Ayrton Senna referred to his rivals Alain Prost and Michael Schmacher as the Frenchman and the German, respectively, simply because he couldn't bring himself to utter their names in deep competition.
I also have a hard time stomaching some of their desktop deployment claims (http://live.gnome.org/MarketingTeam....). The NHS stuff in Britain should not be on there. At best, it was only trial and there has been no confirmation that the desktops were ever installed or ever will be. Unfortunately, the NHS and public sector in Britain is riddled with Microsoft-oriented consulting companies like EDS. There is also still no confirmation that any JDS systems have ever been installed in China, certainly not on the scale they are claiming. As for Largo, they've always seemed to have used a combination of Gnome and KDE but of course, everyone claims it for themselves :-).
Just a question. Could it be that KDE is more popular in Europe,and Gnome is more popular in the USA?
I (from Europe) just know more people around me that uses KDE,and not Gnome. And the few left,not using KDE, and bitching about it, aren't using Gnome either (I just know one person) and using i.e. Fluxbox.
Could it be, in the USA this is totaly the other way around? People using Gnome, just know other people using it?
Recently I had got this impression from reading several blogs.
@kintaro
yes, KDE is certainly more popular in Europe, but it is by no means dead in North America.
there's a thriving KDE using community here in North America, including many corporate users.
Calgary, where i live, tends to be a KDE town. i know of many companies around town that are using Linux on the desktop, mostly tech companies or the IT/software devel departments within the company, and the vast majority use KDE, though i do know of a couple GNOME installations.
our local LUG Is predominantly KDE as well.
so ... it varies. but overall, KDE is not as advanced in the user community as GNOME currently is.
we seem to do rather well with the new user community, however, and are growing.
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